Valera (valera) wrote,

Egypt reprints cartoons, muslims aren't angered.

egyptiansandmonkey writes: Freedom For Egyptians reminded me why the cartoons looked so familiar to me: they were actually printed in the Egyptian Newspaper Al Fagr back in October2005. I repeat, October 2005, during Ramadan, for all the egyptian muslim population to see, and not a single squeak of outrage was present. Al Fagr isn't a small newspaper either: it has respectable circulation in Egypt, since it's helmed by known Journalist Adel Hamoudah. Looking around in my house I found the copy of the newspaper,so I decided to scan it and present to all of you to see.

More big words and pretty pictures (the rest of the story)

Mohamed said...
By the way, hypocricy goes both ways, the guardian published an article on Monday about the same paper (yes the same exact hysterical defender of free speech) refusing to publish some cartoons three years ago citing they'd be insulting to christians and would be considered as unneccessary provocation.
here's the link:,,1703501,00.html

I really wonder if anyone of the respondents above is going to gloat and drool over the hypocricy of the danish newspaper as much as they did with egyptian one.
Somehow I'm almost certain most of them will try to rationalize an excuse.

The link doesn't work. Can anyone verify this?

jama said...
Juan Cole actually makes good points in charting the issue.

The point was that sandmonkey's article a bit misrepresenting.

It refers to them being publish in egypt in October 2005, but the original publishing of them in Denmark on 30 September 2005 by Jyllands-Posten september pre-dates this

I don't remember an uproar in September about this...

Bassem said...
Seriously SandMonkey, translate the paper cuttings you copied? Tell you what, I'll translate it if you refuse to!
The paper is basically reporting on the event. It is stating literally "the vile act still continues" (al waka7a mustamera). The paper by no means is showing the images for the heck of it, it is showing them to the Muslim readers as a proof of what's going on in Europe.

SandMonkey,I'm guessing you're probably a Christian Egyptian, but at least have some respect to your Muslim Arab brothers that live with you everyday in Egypt. Don't post things out of context and use the ignorance of the westerner in the Arabic language to push a false point.

I thought the problem was with publishing any sort of imagery of the prophet?

The Sandmonkey said...
Bassem, first of all: Thanks for the translation. I would have also included the title on the first page: "Cartoons used to mock the Prophet and his wives". This is the only way to ensure I don't "mislead" my readers in any way.

Second of all, I am not a christian. I am a muslim who has had it up to hear with the irrational emotional knee-jerk reactions the world muslim community continues taking. And contrary to your belief, just because I don't agree with you on something, doesn't make me a christian. But weak criticism tactic if it was true btw. Very weak.

Third of all, where did I put things out of context exactly? The Newspaper did publish the cartoons, no? Isn't this whole outrage about how it's forbidden for the newspapers to publish the cartoons because Islam forbids any kind of image to be made of Mohamed, let alone an offensive one? How it's haram to include his pic in the newspaper no matter in what context that may be? Isn;t that why the jordanian editor got arrested, and the french editor got fired? Well, my friend, Al Fagr didn;t care about that, and they published the cartoons during Ramadan nonetheless. You think that's something those people who are rioting because drawing the prophet in sacriligious would approve of? Didn;t think so.

So, where, exactly, did I used the ignorance of the westerner of the arabic language to push a false point ya zalamah? Or were you just making an ass out of yourself for no reason?

So why didn't he include the translation?

There were also a lot of very stupid comments from Americans and others, a la OMG OMG!!!

Can anyone clarify whether or not Islam allows displaying the prophet? How about looking at someone else's publication?

Unfortunately the Atom feed on mokey's blog is fscked up. Bad monkey!
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